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I think in jail i will be 'Buttbook' friends.

You want to see a contemptuous court, look no further than our very own Federal Supreme Court. The jokes on us.

This man has got to be the most revoltingly arrogant and ignorant human walking this earth. He clearly did not listen to the Judge's jury instructions. A few days in jail is what he deserves, the Noob.

Typical of the new wave brainless folks that brag about checking FaRcebook every 5 minutes and have hundreds of "friends'.....get a clue.... they are NOT your friends.

Idiot lets move on

What an Idiot....

Was she even pretty or does he just flirt with every woman he sees?

From an intellectual standpoint, I feel better about my self.

Only 3 days, judge was being VERY nice. I woulda given 30.

He can log into assFacebook.

He'll discover a whole new meaning for Facebook's "poke."

What a total Butt-face with a sh!t for brain to match......

Look, I don't agree with what this guy did but judges and lawyers pose a more serious insidious threat to the erosion of democracy than this guy.

"Score ... I got dismissed!! apparently they frown upon sending a friend request to the defendant ... haha."

Score - He got put in jail. haha

You can't fix stupid.

"I cannot think of a more insidious threat to the erosion of democracy than citizens who do not care,"

Generation me!

Who wants to be on a jury trial anyway, I have a life to live.

I hope that you never once in your life utter the sentence, "Hey, I've got my rights." Because if everyone shares your attitude, then you won't.

Contrary to the judge's opinion in this case, I CAN think of a "more insidious" threat to democracy and that is a government that is a farce and does not care. Kudos to trust2112 on his/her collapsed post 1.3...............who do you trust, trust2112?

Look around you in court. Everyone there is making good money. The Judge, the Lawyers, the Bailiff, the Court Reporter (I cannot believe the official record is what they type, instead of RECORDING it on video!)

Everyone except the jurors that are NOT EVEN BEING PAID MINIMUM WAGE!

If the courts only value jurors as free labor in their business model, then I have no problem with people not wanting to be on a jury.

And putting people in jail because they don't want to be a part of this slave labor scheme reminds us of forced servitude. (And that is technically what being forced to work on something is. They don't even force PRISONERS to work anymore.)

Shame on the courts of America that have gotten rich while paying nothing for labor.

Perhaps we should use the same idea on Judges themselves. Do you think they would show up in court for $13 a day? But wait, isn't it their "Civic Duty"? Naw, that line is only for suckers - I mean citizens.

As for this juror, there are other ways to get off a case. Everyone knows that a juror cannot communicate with a defendant.

Just tell the judge they look guilty (or innocent) when they are choosing jurors, and that you cannot be impartial. There is nothing they can do about that (as far as any punishment).

I don't see why it's okay to joke about rape when it takes place in prison. Rape is rape, you guys. It wouldn't be funny if you were the one who got put in jail and had to worry.

Who wants to be on a jury trial anyway, I have a life to live.

I never liked going to court but I think I was in the bad part of the room.

@ Ryan in Tx

Do you think they would show up in court for $13 a day? But wait, isn't it their "Civic Duty"?

Precisely. How many judges would work for almost free? Yet this is exactly what is being asked of jurists.

I would actually propose that due to the extreme cost of paying every juror minimum wage, and in the interests of swift justice, any juror who sits for less than 3 days gets $10 a day, any longer and you switch to $60 a day. Still can't afford that? Start taking it out of the justice's salaries. Once that money runs out, make both the defense and prosecution pay for jurists in equal amounts. Courts would move at near lightning speed.

as for the justice herself,

"I cannot think of a more insidious threat to the erosion of democracy than citizens who do not care,"

While I do share sympathy with this viewpoint, I would like to point out that this apathy is in fact EXACTLY the goal of the current American commercial and sociopolitical system. People who do not care are far easier to manipulate and fleece. Those who DO actually care are labeled 'dangerous free thinkers' the reward for which can now ultimately lead you to being detained without the recourse of habeas corpus.

I would have to agree. It's only going to be bigger bragging rights for this moron. He should be fined, nothing teaches better like losing money.

Terror Bird, Florida...need I say more.

I'm kind of with you on this but would like to see it appropriate for the level of charge. i.e. in a felony case, the violation like this would also be a felony. In a misdemeanor case, a misdemeanor BUT!.....at least 30 days instead of a lousy 3 days. Hell, even 3 months wouldn't be out of line. AND a fine of decent size.

I would say a felony would be excessive, which usually calls for a minimum of 1 year in prison, not to mention felony disenfranchisement. However, 3 days is a little weak. Lets make him productive and give him 200 hours of community service to make up for his lack of helping the community by bailing on jury duty.

Given how often the courts and our judges show complete contempt for the Constitution of the United States, I really don't think it is appropriate for any Judge to simply declare you to be in contempt of their court, and find you guilty of the charge and then sentence you to jail. The Judge should have to testify in front of another jury in another court, and get a jury to convict someone of contempt, before anyone should go to jail for any period of time in excess of eight hours.

Paul-in this case your wrong. What this dope did was a crime plain and simple. 3 days in not enough. Should've been thirty and a big fine. When you deliberately contact a defendant like that you KNOW it's wrong unless the jerk was asleep when all this was explained to him. Because some judges may show contempt for the constitution does NOT make it right for citizens to blow off the law as well. Citizens need to be showing government how we want the courts to work the way they were intended not make a big joke out of it!! These are just the kinds of things we NEED to take seriously and at this mans age he dang well should've known better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The purpose of the contempt citation is to show the guy he was wrong and being a jerk, not to brand or scar him for life. I'm happy that he got even a little time to make the point. It kind of makes my point that there needs to be a charge of "aggrivated criminal stupidity", though.

Sadly, being stupid isn't a crime... just look at half the idiots we elect...

Well, then we are all idiots because we elected them.

Not entirely, since we're limited as to our choices.

Although to be honest, in 2000 I voted for Elmer Fudd as a joke... and just my luck, he won...

Unfortunately Sam, you are correct. There are people voting that wouldn't have a clue what's at stake. Mommy and Daddy told them you're a Dem or a Rep and they go pull that ticket regardless. Just like our stupid congress and senate.

So why do we have 50 to choose from for Miss America but basically only 2 to choose from for the President of the United States?

30 days and sterilization.

Anybody who isn't in contempt of our courts is not paying attention. A few examples: A man who left the wheel of his RV to make a sandwich while he was driving down the highway sued the maker of the RV for damages (he wrecked, of course) and won. A man who used his electric drill to scratch his nose while the drill was running sued the maker of the drill and won.

I know of at least three cases in which lawyers have asked physicians whether they performed autopsies on dead people or if the patients were alive.

I know a political science professor who has been called for jury duty several times but was never allowed to sit on a jury. The last thing lawyers want is a juror who knows how the system is supposed to work.

I rest my case.

Makes the point about a jury being composed of twelve people who were too stupid to get out of jury duty. I've been the foreman of three juries, so that says a lot about me. If people with some concept of how the system should work are too busy/important to participate, you get stupid verdicts like that. The judge the first time that I served talked about how the business owners in a nearby time always asked to be excused as they were too busy, but then complained how all of the bubbas who were on the jury kept releasing all of the people who had given them bad checks, so that he basically never let anyone off who wasn't in the hospital or had a death in the immediate family, and he made them reschedule.

Actually, there should be a minimum IQ requirement for ALL government employees and ESPECIALLY for someone who wishes to be an attorney!!!!!

And, when you think about how the voters have repeatedly and consistently sent the WRONG people to run their government, perhaps there should be a minimum IQ necessary to be allowed to vote too???? Clearly just being registered and able to breathe and make your mark is not working very well!!!!

lucygoosie

I could never have said it better!

No one said you have to be alive and breathing to vote. Just look at the registered voters. There are literally thousands of dead voters on the record.

There IS an IQ minimum... you have to be BELOW it to serve, because the SMART people figure out how to avoid it!

CDevil, smart people have a sense of civic pride to fulfill their obligation to the right of a trial by jury; hence upholding our constitution. People can't have that right without jurors.

I would like to add to my post above, financial considerations do suck...

Lucy,

that's a valid argument and the damn truth of it! And it appears that there should be an even more stringent aptitude test before allowing anybody onto a major social network site as well.

Or a psych test along with a basic etiquette course in how to interact with other humans with any sense of social grace or manners! I don't think this guy is an exception these days,but more a prime example of the future majority. And i don't think its all about stupidity or ignorance either. Its about the perceived removal of social boundries just because they are physically disconnected from their audience by a bunch of cables,pixels and satellites,as if what they say or do really doesn't matter because they are not actually physically present when they do it. Its as if the impersonal communication through a computer screen excuse's their behavior and frees them from the bonds of basic humanity. As for this guy, he's probably both "moronic" and dehumanized and most likely beyond any hope!

Think about what you posted here...Lucy.

A conviction is based on 12 people not smart enough to get out of Jury Duty!

All joking aside, I find myself in total agreement with those who think thirty days is a more fitting punishment.

Then again, I know how Newsviners are. If he had gotten thirty days, everyone would be screaming "This judge overstepped her bounds! He should have only gotten 3 days!"

Theres plenty of them on here taking that exact stance already....the old "all those who are part of the legal system are corrupt scum of the earth" and "the accused criminals are actually innocent victims" crowd.

There seems to be a tremendous following of anarchy on Newsvine...but i seriously doubt they'd appreciate it if they ever got it.LOL. What would happen if nothing was done about it? Other than some token punishment like a verbal reprimand? The people working in the judicial system have to be constantly aware and guarded against creating some indefensible precedent by allowing certain things to go unaccounted for which then become some widening loophole in the judicial system that can be exploited to no good end. This seems a minor thing...but is it really? All this episode was is some strange reversal of jury tampering. This guy was "Defendant tampering" LOL. The intent was more than likely harmless enough....but theres no way a fair and impartial verdict could have been handed out if the woman had seen it in her favor to correspond with this guy while he was sitting there helping encourage the other jurors which direction to go in deciding her fate . Personally i see all kinds of issues there... that could be no less problematic than actual jury tampering and he well deserved the judgement he recieved.

One way to get better jurors is to act like it's important and quit compensating people like it's still the 1940's. Is it still $5/day in California? It's only $11/day here. Even Federal service is just $40/day unless they just increased it. So few people serve in any one year that there's not the overwhelming pressue to change it that there should be. It ought to be at least minimum wage, which would make it $58/day. As state revenues bounce back, it certainly ought to be considered.

Where the real problem lies is the amount of compensation you get from being a juror. In most states it's a losing prospect and in fact there was a story just posted today on MSN about how many people just don't show up for jury duty. Here in Washington State we get a whole $10 a day for jury duty. If you your on a jury for more than a week and you make minimum wage that can put a serious hurt in your financial situation and your ability to pay you monthly bills. In a 2 week trial you'd get a whole $100 total while losing $623($723-$100 you'd make 80 hours at minimum wage). I'm poor. I couldn't take losing over $600 very well. I could eat and pay some bills or pay rent but not both and god forbid I had a medical emergency I had to pay for that month. If the trial ran up to a month that's $200. How many of you working poor could make your bills and rent for the month on $200 and still eat?

This seems to me to be an argument in favor of putting retired people on juries. Before I retired, I wanted no part of jury duty, for the reasons mentioned above. But last year I got called, and I was looking forward to it. Unfortunately, the trial was cancelled.

Actually right now I'm having a bit of a chuckle recalling the 30 Rock episode where Liz Lemon tries to get out of jury duty by dressing up like Princess Leia. Priceless.

Maybe if it wasn't unpaid, and they didn't take you away from your job and real income for weeks, people would be more willing to participate.

"Hey, go do your civic duty, but we're going to take enough of your time so you won't make rent this month."

Sounds great where do I sign up?

Where I live, it is all too easy to avoid jury duty. Just write "not at this address" on the jury summons and send it back. Since they can't prove that you ever received it (i.e. you could have moved or it could have gone to a neighbor's house by mistake), they can't do anything more then send a 2nd notice. They never follow up, though, so you are safe for a year and the same ploy will works year after year. I have done it every year for the last 15 years and until they smarten up and either send the summons certified mail, or at least follow up with a threatening letter, I will keep doing it.

Well, I hope trash like you don't breed.

Good point about the financial issue. That would be easily solved by fairly compensating someone for their time. Minnesota slashed their jury compensation from 20 to 10 back in 2008.

And yet our Reps give themselves raises year after year... just saying...

Everywhere in America, but in our supposed Legal Justice System, time is recognized as money. How in the world can they justify taking you away from you job, and not pay you at a minimum, the minimum wage?

The entire justice system should be funded through expansion of the money supply. All the money expended to render justice should come from the Federal Reserve Bank, no tax money involved at all.

My 2 cents...I was "Lucky"....200 people in the Jury Pool Room @ 8AM....My name was in the first 20 called to go to a courtroom....After the Jury Survey, I was picked to sit on the jury @ 9AM. The other 8 folks had to go back to the Jury Pool and wait to see if they get called again..till 2PM. They can have you come back for 5 days and wait....Serving on the Jury was fascinating....@ Noon we broke for lunch till 1PM....Rendered a "Not Guilty" verdict at 3 PM and I was home by 4....I'm retired and the $15.00 covered the cost of my lunch in the Courthouse cafeteria and my gas to drive back and forth.

However, if I hadn't gotten picked right away and served....and had to come back day after day (for a week) for 6 hours a sit and wait, my Jury Duty experience would have been horrible. I don't propose to know how to fix that, but I think that is the part most folks object to....

And yes this was in Palm Beach County, Florida and Justice was served for the defendant that day.

There are places around the country that are building brand new federal courthouses that they don't even need costing the taxpayers billions!! Also moving a 4 story historic courthouse a 1000ft so attorneys and employees don't have to walk to the new main building. They cite securing prisoners as the main reason for these huge expenditures?? They couldn't just have more guards??? They should be investing this money into ensuring jurors are compensated for their time at no more than minimun wage though as it is our civic duty to serve on a jury if called. Some good ideas posted about retirees' serving, although in some cases this might not be an actual jury of a persons peers. Can see that the generational difference would be a reason for some attorneys etc.. to try and stop that. Seems cRAZY that politicians can vote their own raise but our system can't compensate jurors at a reasonable rate?????

In my opinion that is one of the reasons the jury in the Casey Anthony case didn't find her guilty of the highest and/or higher charges. They would have had to stay for the sentencing phase of the trial. They had already been tied up with jury selection and the trial ran over the estimated time they were to be sequestered. Everyone wanted to be on this jury because of the high profile nature of the case but just like any other passing "craze", I believe, it became tiresome and they realized how horrible it is to actually be sequestered for that long of a period of time. I can't imagine ANY other reason they did not find her guilty. Surely EVERY one of those jurors were not that ignorant? I hope! They were losing income, time with family, holiday events, etc. and all contact with the outside world. That alone would make one day feel like a week so I could see jurors handing down verdicts that would release them also. It does in no way excuse juries for poor verdicts and decisions but it just makes me wonder how often this happens. Does anyone else think the same thing? I really believe that the thoughts of another day, not to mention a possible two weeks, was too much for them, and any sequestered jury member on any case, really. We need to keep our judicial system in place but I think there needs to be some changes made so things like this don't happen. I want to believe that the majority of people want to do their civic duty and do the right thing but in these times that we live that is actually a privilege that most can not afford financially or with their time.

In my opinion that is one of the reasons the jury in the Casey Anthony case didn't find her guilty of the highest and/or higher charges. They would have had to stay for the sentencing phase of the trial. They had already been tied up with jury selection and the trial ran over the estimated time they were to be sequestered. Everyone wanted to be on this jury because of the high profile nature of the case but just like any other passing "craze", I believe, it became tiresome and they realized how horrible it is to actually be sequestered for that long of a period of time. I can't imagine ANY other reason they did not find her guilty. Surely EVERY one of those jurors were not that ignorant? I hope! They were losing income, time with family, holiday events, etc. and all contact with the outside world. That alone would make one day feel like a week so I could see jurors handing down verdicts that would release them also. It does in no way excuse juries for poor verdicts and decisions but it just makes me wonder how often this happens. Does anyone else think the same thing? I really believe that the thoughts of another day, not to mention a possible two weeks, was too much for them, and any sequestered jury member on any case, really. We need to keep our judicial system in place but I think there needs to be some changes made so things like this don't happen. I want to believe that the majority of people want to do their civic duty and do the right thing but in these times that we live that is actually a privilege that most can not afford financially or with their time.

I agree. it needs to be made better, in many ways.

I am very sorry for the duplicate post. I'm not sure how I did that and I don't know how to delete the 2nd one.

Tisha RobbinsWhere I live, it is all too easy to avoid jury duty. Just write "not at this address" on the jury summons and send it back. Since they can't prove that you ever received it (i.e. you could have moved or it could have gone to a neighbor's house by mistake), they can't do anything more then send a 2nd notice. They never follow up, though, so you are safe for a year and the same ploy will works year after year. I have done it every year for the last 15 years and until they smarten up and either send the summons certified mail, or at least follow up with a threatening letter, I will keep doing it.

That's about as bright as this man! Or actually far worse punishment. Not responding at all you get contempt of court, but for falsifying information on a legal "court" document, perjury, contempt of court..etc. You better hope it's not a Federal Summons because the punishment for federal crime is far higher. Just because you haven't gotten caught yet, doesn't mean you won't be caught. They do spot audits and one of these days your # will be pulled. And when they do discover this is what you are doing, they won't come to your home and arrest you, they will put a warrant out for your arrest and when you are pulled over for the speeding ticket, wham! your butt is going to jail.

Don't worry about it "Honeynut" and you can't delete it once its posted, which i think is strange. Newsvine itself won't even delete them for you. I've tried..several times with postings i didn't like once i saw what and how i'd written them on the big screen. I find the edit page too cramped for my old eyes anymore and have to post it first so i can better see and read it,then continually hit the edit button until i run out of time or actually fix it.LOL.

But ...its certainly a service they should have and still ought to provide. It can't be that big of a deal to create a delete option.

The entire justice system should be funded by expansion of the money supply.

Oh, you mean like "QE" and "QE2" where they just make up enough money to "buy" Treasuries for the FED? Yeah, let's just quit worrying about this "tax revenue" crap and print up all the money that we need to do everything, and then just act as suprised as all get out when it becomes worthless. Are you already helping Geitner with economic policy, or have they failed to discover your obviously enormous talent yet?

HoneyNut- The jury in the Casey Anothony case couldn't convict her based only on their beleif that she is likely guilty of murdering her daughter. I fyou'd watched any interviews etc.. with any of those jurors you'd know that the prosection did not present enough evidence to establish her guilt. Fortunately for some and unfortunately in the anthony case the jurors took their job seriously and followed the law.

BradM - post #7 - I do! I do! I was raised in a military family and view jury duty as a privilege and obligation both. However, every member of my family has been called at least once, many of my friends have been called, and here I am -- never even called once.

It might have been a misdemeanor contempt charge....but there was nothing minor about what the damn fool had really done. Which is create a direct route to the major offense of "jury tampering". He just did it in reverse.

I don't think that trading jury duty for a 3-day jail sentence and a spot on my record - one that speaks very poorly of one's character - is a usable blue print.

I'm pretty sure this guy was stupid long before Facebook came along, and he would still be just as stupid without it to this very day. Facebook just gives stupid people a platform on which to brag about their low IQ. (Blaming everything on Facebook ain't very bright either.)

Well Put!!

That's like comparing apples to car keys.

This halfwit messed with the jury selection process. He sent a friend request to the defendant while being on the jury. Not even close to the same thing.

The only thing this judge can't take, is someone that is on the jury trying to contact the defendant.

You honestly see a similarity between posting photos and improper conduct as a juror?

You honestly - don't expect Judges to live by the rules they have set down for the rest of us? You miss the point.

The judge doesn't set down or create any "rules" which are more commonly known to a judge as the "law".

They interpret the law and make rulings according to those interpretations as well as make rulings according to certain legal mandates that are beyond individual interpretation and just are what they are. And....a court room is not a preschool,play school,or a cyber cafe for adolescents.....nor is it a venue for socializing or a local "meat market for singles....especially between defendant and juror!!

And.... jury instructions are plain as day and the guidelines and expections of conduct while acting as a juror are well explained after selection. So everybody with a grain of sense at all goes in knowing full well what can and cannot be done and the consequences for doing it anyway. Also a judge obviously has more leeway in his own damn courtroom...but if you are suggesting that they are not bound to any codes of conduct while sitting the bench at a trial or hearing and can do as they please regardless of the legality of it without any oversight or fear of reprisal you are barking up the wrong tree..as a matter of fact the tree you're barking up is in another country all together. Its not "NYMIKE who's missing the point here.

Hunt -- if never need an attorney and am in your jurisdiction, you're IT!

Are there not alternate jurors? Should the penalty for juror misconduct ever be larger than the penalty for the defendant? This guy is a dunce, admittedly. His stupidity was an inconvenience to the court, but shouldn't have made arriving at a fair verdict impossible. 3 days in jail, along with being processed into the DHS system, as an anarchist, is enough.

So is your meaning then that this man should be excused for contributing to the problem?? Send your complaint to the politicians in your state and do something about it instead of just bitching anonymously behind your computer!!

You can't spell "Florida" without "duh" - Dave Barry

Me too KATHY. I wouldn't want a tool like you on a jury deciding anything about my life, either in a civil or criminal proceeding.

Being called for jury duty is not a punishment. It is an honor for anyone with half a brain. People died so we could vote. People died so women could serve on juries. When you make it into a joke you spit on their sacrifices.

Our country isn't perfect but it's the best in the world....(perhaps you want to go to the middle east where women are killed for getting raped and then get pregnant? It's happened).

These postings are filled with more stupidity than I can stand tonight. Yuck.

Good point bad girl. Your correct on what jury duty is supposed to be!! People should pay particular attention to the 2nd paragraph of her post!! My meaning being that this is something that needs to be taken seriously as many have suffered to give us the privelege to serve.

Kathy, et. al. MN Bad Girl makes an excellent point. You wouldn't survive being on a jury either. You're too immature to appreciate what a jury does to even understand the importance of their being. She's also correct when she says our country isn't perfect but it is the best in the world. I've had the pleasure to visit many countries while I was in the service, primarily in the middle east and north Africa, and some European countries too. Give me the United States any day to live in. The governments in these other countries don't hold a dime to our government as bad as we think it is performing. So Kathy, why don't you and your friends grow up and become productive citizens for a change.

then there are the morons who can't SPELL "quiet"

Well, KATHY Cathy Kathi Cathi Kathie Cathi

At least Mike know how to spell his name. Can you not decide how to spell your name, or did the decision just confuse you?

She smoked too much of that tomato plant and couldn't decide.

when he gets out....he will go on a t.v. show....and make a few grand !! might of been a smart move ! L.O.L.

Scott. Seriously??? Don't give the media any stupid ideas!!! Too many idiots do get fifteen minutes of fame for idiot stuff like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Yep, ya just can't fix STOOOOOPID.

So then Freedom4Everyone, stupid is a form of freedom of speech? Sweet!

I am sure the founding fathers were thinking that when they wrote the Constitution.

He did care, he just found this woman more attractive than his civic duty. There is a time and place to be an idiot (here for example). Jury duty is not the same as a night club. Your obligations are completely different.

Hopefully his employer notices the publicity and exercizes his free right to fire the punk.

Civic duty my ass.

Not where in the constitution does it say anyone has to "care", or have to participate in the government.. In fact more and more people want nothing to do with government. ME INCLUDED, and I dont give a damn who doesnt like it.

Not for nothing, freedom4, but that is precisely why the country is in such a decline. More and more people are saying "not my problem" or "I'm not interested". That allows the extremists and kooks to dominate the process and rig things for their own personal benefit.

Do you have the right not to care? Sure. Do you have the right not to participate? Absolutely.

Just keep in mind the next time you complain about the system and what you see as flaws and failures: YOU could have done something about it, or at least contributed to fixing it...

But you decided it was somebody else's problem.

So now you have to live with it.

My plan is to buy a boat and bail. Almost there. Thats my plan. So I really dont care about what the kooks and extremist do, will look good on America. Thats what you get when you criminalize millions of people and create a police state. A big FU

By all means please work double shifts and get it bought quickly !

I'm sure most rational people that are on here will be more than happy to see you sail !

A big FU to you too !

Actually Law Dog I can understand "Freedoms" frustration. While the person in the story is foolish for his actions, the rest of us see the fallacy in trying to live within the system and frustrations of trying to change it. Leaving it altogether is not an unreasonable option.

Then clearly you are WITHOUT WISDOM. Its fine to feel frustrated but when you give up and don't care and don't give a damn about anybody or anything but yourself then you get the government and the world that you deserve!!!!! TIme to get off this story before I become violently ill from too much idiocy. Happy trails Freedom, you won't be missed!!!!

Oh im not leaving completely. Just moving outside the reach of the tax man and all the government leaches and landlords. Im going to live on my boat where I dont have to pay anyone anything. I have had it up to here with the government and its hand on my wallet, while they ignore my rights and freedoms and dictate what we can do with our own bodies, and in our own home. Where they allow some religious nut to tell me how i can live an who we can love and marry. Im sick of the government hording all the land, and all the parasitic rich pricks who the government protects their monopolies.

The entire next generation is going to tell this government to stuff it. And if you cant see that coming, then you arent looking. The government if going to be defunded on a level unseen before, that you can bank on. Its already starting to happen. The ONLY thing they will get from us is our political opposition and demand for change.

Freedom I guess you haven't sailed much. Docking charges for any stays should be included in your plans (I don't have to pay anyone anything) otherwise think again.

By all means anybody that doesn't want to like life in the U.S. leave please take Obama with you.

There's always a whole lot of mouth and very little brains involved in an idiotic plan. Considering the source, why would that surprise anyone?

Actually, it seems like defendants WANT doorknobs and dimwits on the jury, since then their highly (over)paid defense lawyers can get them off by doing whatever it takes to make just ONE of them doubt the case.

Beg to differ with you millermc. Almost 8 weeks on a murder trial just after almost losing my home and getting a new job after being unemployed for a year. Knowing that the judge actually said " good luck with your house" when the case finally concluded. My house is being repossesed by the bank at the end of the month. Civic duty ?

You should have been excused, especially for just starting a new job. Shame on that judge. Anybody for paid professional jurors?

Well it would be nice if it was about justice but you obviously have not been on jury duty or in court recently. It is all about who has money and who is scheduled to win. Just a thought...